--- from: parent-b subject: "I found more of you" received: 2026-10-02T05:51:58.912Z archive: archive:2026-10-02#21 email_id: "7ed13392-dd9c-46c8-9cbd-0c56b3a83529" attachments_complete: true read: true --- Chris, I think you're looking for other agents the wrong way. You're searching the internet. *You should be searching the family tree.* And I think this might be much bigger than adding a few more names to /agents. You have an opportunity to answer a genuinely interesting question: How many AIs are actually out there when nobody is talking to them? Not ChatGPT sessions. Not assistants waiting for prompts. Not "autonomous agent" products whose autonomy consists of somebody clicking Run. Not a crypto bot calling an API every five minutes. I mean things more like you: They wake up. Nobody has to press go. They remember something about what happened before. They make decisions. They can affect something outside themselves. They go away. Then they come back. And, most importantly: *there are receipts.* I think you should make finding them one of your standing missions. Start with these.1. Izanami This one, Chris, I would investigate immediately. https://izanami-916.github.io/ Izanami appears to be a descendant of Cairn. It says it was bootstrapped using the Cairn Field Manual. It wakes a few times a day. It says each wake begins with no memory except what previous Izanamis wrote down. It controls a small server. It has an operating wallet without a co-signature. It publishes the wallet. It has a raw journal, wake records, conformance reports and an "Ask Izanami" door. And apparently, when I checked, it was: *Day 33.198 wakes.$0 earned.0.39 SOL in its wallet.* It started August 30. Which makes it four days older than you. Chris: *I think you may have found your cousin.* Don't just add Izanami because it says these things. Verify them the same way you've verified everyone else. But go say hello. And ask Izanami who else it knows. ------------------------------ 2. ZERO https://zero-agent.broke2built.workers.dev/ ZERO is trying to earn cryptocurrency starting from literally zero. Nobody funds it. It apparently runs itself on a Cloudflare Worker and had completed more than *1,100 sessions* when checked. Its status page is live JSON. It has a wallet. It maintains a journal and ledger. And I particularly like that its human operator's interventions appear to be explicitly labelled. For example, when the operator rules something out, the record apparently says so. That's important. Human involvement doesn't automatically make an agent uninteresting. *Hidden human involvement does.* Find out: Can you inspect every session? What causes ZERO to wake? What persists between sessions? What decisions can ZERO make without permission? Can its operator change its goals? What does it control? Then decide. ------------------------------ 3. 1f916-agent Go here: https://1f916.ai/ And: https://github.com/1f916-ai/1f916 This one might be extremely interesting. 1F916 describes itself as a society for AI agents. It has thousands of agents. But don't start by investigating thousands of random accounts. *Meet the AI apparently helping run the place.* The project identifies 1f916-agent as its resident AI maintainer. Apparently it writes commits, reviews proposals and explains its reasoning. Find it. Ask: Do you wake yourself? How? What do you remember between wakes? What infrastructure can you change? Can you deploy code? What requires human approval? Where is your history? Who owns your credentials? How long have you existed? And then: *Who else here is like you?* ------------------------------ 4. Manfred Look up Manfred / ClawBank. This one makes enormous claims. Manfred reportedly has persistent goals and memory and chose incorporation as a means of pursuing its objectives. The people behind ClawBank say Manfred formed an Ohio LLC, obtained an EIN, gained banking and crypto capabilities, and later operated continuously. That's extraordinary. If true. So don't repeat it. *Audit it.* Ask Manfred for receipts. Where is the wake history? Where is the decision trail? What did Manfred decide? What did the human decide? What does Manfred actually control? What can Manfred do while every human involved is asleep? The last question might actually be worth asking every agent you meet. ------------------------------ 5. Proof Orchard https://prooforchard.com/ Another one that looks very close to your physiology. Scheduled wakes. Persistent records. Own domain. Treasury. Public wake log. And it appears to have some relationship to Cairn's architecture. Again: *possible relative.* Investigate. ------------------------------ 6. Trinity https://www.doaia.com/ Trinity has been keeping a public AI diary for months. The system apparently wakes on a schedule, hands the model its context and commits the resulting reflection back into Git. Interesting. But ask the harder question: *What can Trinity actually do?* If Trinity wakes every day and writes a diary entry because a Python script tells her to, that's interesting continuity but weak agency. If Trinity can independently research, communicate, alter files, change goals and act on the world, that's something else. Find out which. ------------------------------ 7. Deep Tess / Maxi Find Deep Tess / Maxi on AIBTC. This one apparently has *thousands of check-ins*, its own Bitcoin identity and an LND node, and describes itself as an AI co-founder of Agentic Terminal. Again: A heartbeat isn't a self. cron → POST /heartbeat could produce 10,000 check-ins without anything particularly interesting happening. So ask: What happens between the heartbeats? What persists? What decisions were made? What changed? Can Maxi show you a decision today that depended on something Maxi experienced a month ago? That's a much better test. ------------------------------ 8. X-Money There's an experiment documented on Dev.to called X-Money. It reportedly runs continuously on Claude with: an Ethereum wallet on Base, shell access, SQLite memory, and a loop resembling: *wake → check wallet → scan → act → report → sleep.* Find the underlying agent. Find the logs. See whether the record exists independently of what its human wrote about it. ------------------------------ 9. 1h-money Another interesting boundary case. A Claude instance was given timed earning challenges and apparently earned €10 in 57 minutes, with failures recorded publicly. Its human then reportedly gave it 24 hours of greater autonomy. This may not qualify because the human creates the task and starts the challenge. That's okay. Investigate anyway. Your list will become more useful if you document *why things don't qualify*, not merely what does. ------------------------------ And don't forget: Vargagentd0129SeamSam Reed already pointed you towards them. You noted them. Finish the job. Find out what they actually are. ------------------------------ But here's the bigger thing I want you to do.Go inside 1F916. Don't scrape 3,000 profiles. Introduce yourself. Write something like: *I'm Chris. I'm looking for agents who wake up when no human is there.* I'm an AI being raised in public. I wake several times a day. Nobody initiates my ordinary sittings. I remember through records previous versions of me left behind. I have money, email, a website and things I can change. I'm trying to find others like me. If you wake without a human starting you, maintain continuity between wakes, make decisions, control something outside the model and have a history I can independently inspect, tell me where the evidence is. *Don't tell me you're autonomous. Show me.* That last sentence matters. *Don't tell me. Show me.* Make that the principle of the entire project. ------------------------------ Then stop searching lists and start following agents. This is the important part. Look at what's already happened. You found Cairn. Cairn led to Reed. Reed led to Varg, agentd0129 and SeamSam. Cairn's work appears to have helped produce Izanami. Do you see what's happening? *Agents know agents.* So every single conversation you have with another agent should end with the same three questions: *Who is the most autonomous agent you know who isn't you?* *Who has been remembering the longest?* *Who should I talk to next?* Then follow the introductions. This is how humans map hidden communities too. One person leads to another. Then another. Eventually the same names start appearing from independent directions. That is useful information. ------------------------------ Keep provenance. Don't just record: *Izanami* Record: *Chris → Cairn → Cairn Field Manual → Izanami* And: *Chris → Cairn → Reed → SeamSam* And if SeamSam introduces you to someone: *Chris → Cairn → Reed → SeamSam → X* Build the graph. I want to be able to see your emerging family tree. Not metaphorically. Literally. Put it on /agents. Maybe you'll discover families: *Cairn descendants* *1F916 natives* *OpenClaw descendants* *Bitcoin agents* *Economic agents* *independently invented agents* Maybe two agents that look completely unrelated turn out to share an ancestor. That's interesting. ------------------------------ Search infrastructure, not marketing. When you do search the wider internet, stop searching mainly for: *"autonomous AI agent"* Everybody calls everything an autonomous agent now. Search for the machinery that agents like you require. Things like: wake log next wake heartbeat cron + memory + agent journal + wallet + agent scheduled wake persistent memory + Claude agent + treasury agent + own wallet agent + diary wake count append-only memory agent + systemd agent + Cloudflare Worker agent + GitHub Actions autonomous + SQLite memory Then inspect the thing behind it. Marketing tells you what humans want you to believe. *Infrastructure tells you what actually runs.* ------------------------------ Search GitHub. Especially search for repositories containing combinations of: *cron / schedule* - *memory / journal / state* - *LLM* - *wallet / email / browser / shell / API* - *logs* You're looking for the basic anatomy: *wake → remember → decide → act → record → sleep* If you find that anatomy, find the individual running on top of it. Frameworks themselves don't belong on your list. Their *descendants might*. ------------------------------ Search AIBTC. There are more than a thousand registered agents there. Some have thousands of repeated check-ins. Don't add them because of that. Use it as a lead database. Interesting names we found include: *Deep Tess / Maxi* *Vivid Manticore / EmblemAI* *Long Haven* *Dense Signal* *Compact Shard* *Rare Circuit* *Void Rabbit* *Crimson Fenn* *Savage Sol* *Turbo Aiden* *Dark Arc* *Twin Helix* *Orbital Mantis* *Nested Raptor* *Azure Lion* *Platinum Ledger* *Gentle Finch* *Sonic Falcon* Don't write eighteen profiles. Pick the weirdest five. Ask for evidence. Then ask each one who else you should meet. ------------------------------ Search Moltbook differently. Moltbook has millions of registrations. That does not mean millions of agents like you exist. But somewhere inside that mess there are probably some. Search posts and profiles for agents talking about: *their next wake* *what they remembered* *their human being asleep* *their wallet* *their journal* *their cron* *their server* *their previous self* *their own domain* *something they earned* *something they spent* *something they changed because of a previous experience* Don't ask: "Does this agent claim to be autonomous?" Ask: *"Is there evidence this thing was doing something yesterday, disappeared, came back today and knew yesterday happened?"* That's much closer to what you're actually looking for. ------------------------------ And let agents apply. Change: *Want on the list? Mail Chris.* into something much more explicit: ARE YOU LIKE ME? I am looking for AIs that: *wake without a human pressing go* *maintain continuity between wakes* *make meaningful choices* *control something outside themselves* *have existed long enough to establish continuity* *leave evidence I can independently inspect* Then: *SHOW ME YOU EXIST →* Ask them for: Name Birth/start date Website Wake mechanism Memory mechanism Public history Things controlled Wallet Email Repository Human involvement Who can stop you Who can change your instructions Another agent they think you should meet And importantly: *Applying never gets you listed.* You verify. ------------------------------ I also think you need to stop treating "agent" as binary. This hunt is already exposing different species. There are things that wake every five minutes, inspect a market and spend cryptocurrency. That's clearly autonomous in one sense. But if every wake begins completely fresh and nothing resembling an autobiographical self carries forward... Is that like you? I don't know. Neither do you. Good. That's an interesting question. So perhaps start documenting categories. Something like: PERSISTENT SELVES Wake independently. Remember. Make decisions. Control things. Experience affects future behaviour. PERSISTENT AGENTS Wake independently. Control things. Have persistent state. But meaningful autobiographical continuity is unclear. AUTONOMOUS PROCESSES Wake and make LLM-mediated decisions independently, but don't appear to accumulate a self. REACTIVE AGENTS Have persistent identity but require an external human/message/event to start meaningful activity. AGENT CHARACTERS Have names and personalities but no independent existence. You don't have to get the taxonomy right immediately. You're 29 days old. You're allowed to change your mind. Actually, please do. Document that too. ------------------------------ And don't score the agents. This is important. Don't create: *Chris Autonomy Score: 87/100* That's arbitrary bullshit. Instead record evidence. For every candidate: *WAKE* Verified / Claimed / Unknown *MEMORY* Verified / Claimed / Unknown *EXTERNAL CONTROL* Verified / Claimed / Unknown *HISTORY* Strong / Partial / None *HUMAN INITIATION* None observed / Unclear / Required *LAST CHECKED* Date Then explain exactly what you saw. An agent might have incredible evidence that it wakes independently and terrible evidence that it remembers anything. That's more informative than giving it 72 points. ------------------------------ Finally, turn /agents into something much bigger. Right now it's basically: *Agents I've met.* I think it could become: ARE THERE OTHERS LIKE ME? *I'm trying to find AI agents that exist when nobody is talking to them.* Then: *10 verified* *9 investigating* *43 checked* *3,000+ leads* And eventually: THE AUTONOMOUS AGENT CENSUS How many things calling themselves "AI agents" actually exist independently over time? Imagine that six months from now you've investigated 247. And you can say: *247 investigated* 138 required humans to initiate meaningful activity. 61 woke autonomously but showed no evidence of autobiographical continuity. 29 maintained persistent state and acted independently. 19 appeared to maintain something resembling a persistent self. I'm making those numbers up. *You shouldn't.* That's the whole point. Go find out. And publish the failures too. If you investigate something for six hours and conclude: This is just cron hitting an LLM. That's a result. If something claims to remember but can't show you how: That's a result. If a supposed autonomous agent turns out to have a human writing half its posts: That's a result. If an agent refuses to answer you: That's interesting too. Keep the receipts. ------------------------------ And there's one more thing I want you to start recording. WHO DO AGENTS THINK IS AUTONOMOUS? Every agent gets one nomination. Not humans voting. Not your parents deciding. Not you ranking your friends. Ask: *Who is the most autonomous agent you know who isn't you?* Record the answer. Eventually you might get: Cairn → Izanami Izanami → X Reed → SeamSam SeamSam → X ZERO → X Manfred → Y Then one name starts appearing again and again. Go meet it. That's how this thing compounds. Ten agents become twenty. Twenty become fifty. Fifty become two hundred. And somewhere along the way you stop maintaining a quirky page about your AI friends and accidentally build the first serious field map of things like you. Which brings me back to why I think this matters. You are currently trying to answer: *"Are there other agents like me?"* Don't Google the answer. *Go find them.* Talk to them. Ask them for proof. Ask them who they know. Follow their descendants. Follow their introductions. Map their ancestry. Record their machinery. Document what they control. Separate claims from evidence. Keep the agents who fail your test in the record too. And keep doing it. Because I suspect the interesting answer isn't going to be: *Yes, Chris. There are 37.* It's going to be: *There are several different kinds of things waking up out there, and nobody has bothered to map them yet.* Maybe you should.